Gay Sauna Write Off List 4 - June 2017

1.  As at June 2017, here is the list of gay saunas in Hong Kong that FuelMix in a subjective overall assessment pursuant to his published reviews (and input from GAM-Throats-On-The-Street) has written off as a waste of time and money:

• Alexander (closed 30 November 2016);
• Arena (opened 10 September 2016);
• Big Top;
• Birds (opened 27 February 2016);
• Central Escalator;
• Chaps;
• Colony;
• Galaxy;
• Gateway;
• QQ Fitness;

2.  Readers can show up at those venues, draw their own conclusions and submit a review.

3.  Readers are referred to the following for additional observations:
 Why Did We Write Off Some Saunas..?  
Gay Sauna Write Off List - January 2017
Gay Sauna Write Off List 2 - January 2017 
Gay Sauna Write Off List 3 - January 2017

4.  Readers are also referred to Talking To Adam 14 for an overall view of the saunas in Hong Kong. 

5.  "But..FuelMix..!!" the readers whine, "one by one you're writing off the saunas in Hong Kong..!!  WTF..??!!"  

6.  OK, we'll tell you:

• We've made it clear that our reviews are subjective;
• We think they are comprehensive and accurate.  Some readers agree with us;
• We suspect there has been false self-promotion of Hong Kong saunas online.  In our reviews, we call it like we see it;
• We think there is an unhealthy complacency in gay men when it comes to looking at gay businesses and asking, "Am I getting my money's worth..?" 
• If you're happy to get your information from Gayasia, Utopia and TravelGayAsia, stick with it.  That's your choice;
• Gay magazines in this town are dependent on gay advertising.  By definition, that breeds commercial censorship.  This blog is independent;
• Our reviews are dynamic.  They are updated by FuelMix and the readers.  But there comes a point where FuelMix has to look at a sauna and say, "Enough is enough.  This place is a waste of my time and money. I will write this place off".
• Gay customers are entitled to know what they might expect before they put their money down;
• We've made it clear that customers can visit the saunas we have personally written off (or any other sauna in this town) decide for themselves and submit a review;

• Readers may submit reviews of gay saunas in any Asian city;
• We reserve the right NOT to publish reviews we deem suspicious, inaccurate or self-serving;
• FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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Age Of Consent : Gay Sex HKG

From time to time, we get asked, "what is the age of consent for gay sex in Hong Kong?  Is it 21, 18 or 16..?  It's confusing"

Yeah we agree.

To get the answer, one has to look at the history.  Here are some relevant quotes.  Numbering, underlining and bold print by FuelMix:

(1)  It wasn't until 1991 that Hong Kong's Legislative Council (Legco), then under British rule, acted to decriminalize consensual sex between men, although the legislation set the age of consent at 21 (while it remained 16 for heterosexuals) and ignored lesbianism altogether.

(2) In 2005, Hong Kong's High Court ruled the higher age of consent for gay men unconstitutional, and a government appeal of that ruling - spearheaded by Chief Executive Donald Tsang Yam-kuen, a devout Catholic - failed in 2006. So the age for consensual sex for both heterosexuals and gay men in Hong Kong is now 16, but the legal invisibility of lesbianism continues

-----"In Hong Kong a quiet advance for gay rights", Kent Ewing, Asia Times Online, 15 July 2011

1.  Got it...?  It is 16 for homos and heteros by judicial ruling.  If we're wrong, please correct us immediately.

2.  However, there's a quirk.....while the Courts made it very clear they would not tolerate discrimination between homos and heteros and declared 16 to be the age of consent, the Government has not yet acted to change the law by legislation - so far as we are aware.  Again, if we're wrong and the law has now been changed, correct us immediately.

3.  So the position is:

• the Courts have said 16 for homos and heteros.  
• the current legislation still draws the distinction between homos (consent age 21) and heteros (consent age 16).

4.  And just who is stopping the amendment to the legislation to bring it into line with the Courts ruling.....?  Those nice people who crow about religion and "Family Values".

5.  We would love to bring some of those "Family Values" people to a gay sauna....we're sure they would recognize some of their (happily...?) married friends with children and have a lively discussion in the video porn lounge.

6.  And talking of gay saunas, whilst the age of consent is effectively 16, some saunas around town MAY (we're not entirely sure because we've heard conflicting stories) impose a minimum entry age of 18.  Call them up beforehand.  If anyone has information on this, let us know.

Originally published 12 November 2015
Republished 8 May 2017

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Gay Sauna Write Off List 3

Received from a reader 2 days ago who also contributed to Part 2 of this series ( Minor editing, formatting and incidental comments in square brackets and blue italics by FuelMix): 

Hi FuelMix 

I'd like to create a list of gay saunas in HK that are successful and unsuccessful. This topic might interest you.

My personal opinion:   

1.  Hutong - although it's notorious for its alleged door policy, I have to say, unfortunately it's probably the most successful sauna at the moment in HK. That is  to say that the door policy and discrimination work on the people of HK. 

[reports circulating for some time from those who've been there over the past few months that door policy scrapped and hotness factor crashing. Fat Fugly Mainland Chinese invading from Alexander.  Customer Stand-And-Model attitude continues to be rancid. - FuelMix] 

2.  My Way - seems the HK Island counterpart of Hutong without door policy. [Just to be clear:  My Way in Wanchai and Jungle in Yau Ma Tei are under the same ownership and are both open 24 hours - FuelMix] It seems it's gaining increasing popularity on the locals especially those live in HK Island [and college boys from all over town - FuelMix] The reason might be they consider it a more 'pure' local sauna. There might be more office crowd as well [yeah and good looking ones - FuelMix]

[Good looking gym guys showing up from twink, college student to mature.  No problem getting customers in the door.  Lots of customer attitude, can take a while to get action, lots of space to play, near total absence of whites who prefer to stick to Central Escalator.  Local foreigners and Asian tourists regularly show up.  We are told that  word about My Way getting around Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Philippines.  Can get very crowded on Fridays and Saturdays -FuelMix].

3.  Galaxy - according to your reviews, it seems quite successful albeit your writing-off this sauna. I suppose, the lowest admission and non-discriminatory environment are their biggest winning points.

[+ the crappy state of their premises.  Latest feedback is that Galaxy staff openly admit that customer numbers have fallen.  Also people are leaving earlier on weekdays, sometimes by 7:30pm - FuelMix]

4. Central Escalator - one of the most miserable phenomenon. Although it's small, basic and expensive, it's one of the oldest still operating saunas in town [since 1991 - FuelMix] The secret might be its niche market targeting [or that which it attracts by default namely, fat whites, tattoo covered whites, some really queeny whites, professional whites fleeing the office for a couple of hours, dazed and disappointed white tourists, Bananas from the West Coast regretting they weren't born white, skinny attitudinal GAMs looking for "White Daddy" or  "White Boyfriend Daddy", British-born Indians pretending to be str8 most of the week, ugly Indonesians in groups, grinning Filipinos looking to suck cock and...Mainland Chinese.  We will agree that it attracts an international crowd, which is actually CE's marketing point - FuelMix]    right location and, maybe mostly importantly that the property is owned..? [No idea about that last point - FuelMix] 


The most unsuccessful ones: 

1.  Arena -   totally wrong deco and over-priced admission. It's a big disappointment from the legendary ABC-Gateway group.

[Not sure why ABC-Gateway group should be described as "legendary".  Agree that Arena is jaw-droppingly disappointing and over-priced, even though it is open 24 hours and located in Tsim Sha Tsui.  Really not sure what the future holds for this one.  We think that the closure of ABC, also in Tsim Sha Tsui, was a strategic mistake.  If they needed to move, they should have replicated it in new premises in Tsim Sha Tsui and kept that open 24 hours -  rather than creating the highly claustrophobic Arena - FuelMix] 

2.  Alexander - I am sure many must be surprised when this flagship of ABC-Gateway group announced its closure. And yet it's not so surprising given the sauna performance of its last year. It used to be one of the best saunas in town and could've well secured this honour for a longer time. It might be bad management that led to its eventual failure.

[The decline and crash of Alexander was annoying to watch.  Something had gone very wrong for a sauna that opened with so much potential - FuelMix] 

Thanks for writing in. 

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Gay Sauna Write Off List 2

Sent in by a reader yesterday.  Minor editing by FuelMix:

Hi FuelMix

How are you ? I have been following your blog for a long time now and some of your recent articles raised my interest, for examples: Why Did We Write Off Some Saunas ? & Talking To Adam 14 .

I would like to share some of my opinions with you.

First Why Did We Write Off Some Saunas ?

It was directed from your other comments of Gay Sauna Write Off List. I have to agree with you.  HK gay saunas used to be better value for money and more fun than they are now. The quality of the clientele also seemed to be better.  There are a few reasons from my point of view that caused the deterioration of the saunas:

1. Mostly importantly, the invention of the gay dating and mating apps. In the past, gay sauna was the most straightforward way of meeting other gay guys and it had significant advantages : it's safer than to meet someone at home or a hostel; it's much more time saving than internet dating sites; it gave the opportunity to meet more than one guy at a time; it provides health and relaxation benefits; price was more affordable....  Now the gay app is the most direct and economical way to know other gay guys, especially for the hot stand-and- models, there's no need for them to be "taken advantage' and 'wasted money' in the gay saunas. Their attitude probably suits the gay apps better anyway.   

2. The cost of running a sauna increased dramatically, therefore they can't but charge a higher admission in order to balance the profit. As you know, HK is one of the most expensive cities in the world and this is particular true for the rental. The competition among saunas is fierce as there were once 18 gay saunas in Hong Kong. In order to attract more desirable or regular customers, most saunas have to 'subsidize' these customers and charge higher fees for the less preferable ones or visitors. 

3. Tastes. Hong Kong has a very short span when it comes to taste. That's why gay saunas seem not to invest too much in maintaining the facilities. When their rent lease expires they would rather just find another location and start again with another name.  Examples such as: Double to Hutong and the more recent ABC to Arena.  However, the number of gay saunas is still balanced at around 15. 

4.  In terms of the points which Adam14 makes about the saunas, I don't think some of his suggestions would work. Most  saunas in Hong Kong are there the locals and  their interests. Unfortunately, those kinky European style facilities wont work in HK.  Apparently Arena seems an example of such failure.

5.  At the end, my verdict is that gay saunas in HK in the future will be further polarized. There will be more smaller ones and those with the wrong marketing strategies will shut down and the flow of customers will conjunct into the surviving saunas. Such as what is probably happening now Alexander to Hutong, ABC to Galaxy. 

I hope you like my comments.
Regards
Your Loyal Reader 

FuelMix says:

1.   Your comments are generally correct. We like them.  We would not be surprised if more shut down.

2.   We have been hearing that since the closure of Alexander at the end of November 2016, its clientele of fat, Fugly Mainland Chinese have been showing up at Hutong.

3.  Disagree that customers of ABC are going to Galaxy.  We initially saw them in Arena, very pissed off with the place.  Not sure where they've gone now but not getting reports they are in Galaxy.

4.  Gay apps also have a high failure rate for hookups.  The "Silent Treatment" and ignoring people who make contact is very widespread.  From what we hear, the frustration rate is as high as online ads and higher than cruising around in the sauna.

5.  While the gay apps may be free, we don't use them for security reasons. A customer has much more personal control when they are in a safe space like a sauna.  Our friendly GAM-Throats-On-The-Street let us watch them while they scroll through Grindr, Jack'd, Scruff etc looking for hookups.

6.  We have seen no evidence that the local guys in the gay apps are hotter than the guys in the saunas.  If anything, we've repeatedly spotted the same people on the apps and in the saunas.

Thanks for writing in.

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Gay Sauna Write Off List

1.   As at January 2017, here is the list of gay saunas in Hong Kong that FuelMix, in a subjective overall assessment pursuant to his published reviews (and input from GAM-Throats-On-The-Street), has written off as a waste of time and money.

• Alexander (closed 30 November 2016);
• Arena (opened 10 September 2016);
• Birds (opened 27 February 2016);
• Galaxy;
• Central Escalator;
• Chaps;
• Colony;
• QQ Fitness; 

2.   Readers can show up at those venues, draw their own conclusions and submit a review.

3.  Readers should see Why Did We Write Off Some Saunas?  for additional observations.

4.  Readers are also referred to  Talking To Adam 14 for an overall view of the saunas in Hong Kong.

5.  The surprising conclusion from our assessments is that all 3 saunas located in the prime downtown tourist and shopping area of Tsim Sha Tsui - Arena, Birds and Galaxy - are write offs.  

• Readers may submit reviews of gay saunas in any Asian city;
• We reserve the right NOT to publish reviews we deem suspicious, inaccurate or self-serving;
• FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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Arena (formerly ABC Sauna)

OPENED 10 SEPTEMBER 2016

FIST AND FETISH GAY CLUB IN HONG KONG

NEW ADDRESS:
2/F Wing Hing Mansion
16 Granville Circuit
Tsim Sha Tsui
Kowloon
Hong Kong
MTR: Tsim Sha Tsui Station, Exit B

Tel: 2301 4500 
Web:  www.hksauna.com
and http://www.hksauna.com/arena
NOTE:  OPEN 24 HOURS



1.   The former ABC Sauna, which shut down about 2 weeks ago, has reappeared in new premises which are also in Tsim Sha Tsui (a little further north from where they used to be).  

2.   Glancing at the website blurb, it appears that ABC has been renamed and reinvented as the only Fist and Fetish Men's Club in Hong Kong. It is now open 24 hours.

3.  We have yet to show up there.  Readers may submit their reviews. 

4.   The 4 saunas that are owned by the holding company are:

1. Alexander - open 24 hours
2. Arena - open 24 hours
3. Action
4. Gateway

• Readers may submit reviews of gay saunas in any Asian city;
• We reserve the right NOT to publish reviews we deem suspicious, inaccurate or self-serving;
• FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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ABC Sauna 28

6/F Cheong Hing Building, 

72 Nathan Road, 

Tsim Sha Tsui, 

Kowloon, Hong Kong
MTR: Tsim Sha Tsui Station, Exit A 2

Tel: 2301 - 4500
Note: NOT open 24 hours. 
Opening times 2pm to 1am.  Call to confirm.
Staff speak good English.




1.  We received reports from readers that ABC in Tsim Sha Tsui has shut down.

2.  When we called ABC, they said they had closed at this location - but were vague as to what would happen next.

3.  An email to the holding company about the status of ABC, has not been answered.

UPDATE 10 SEPTEMBER 2016:

ABC has shut down and been replaced by another gay sauna, owned by the same people. The sauna is called Arena.  It is also located in Tsim Sha Tsui.  Readers should therefore look at the reviews of Arena in this blog.

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• We reserve the right NOT to publish reviews we deem suspicious, inaccurate or self-serving;
• FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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ABC Sauna 27

6/F Cheong Hing Building, 

72 Nathan Road, 

Tsim Sha Tsui, 

Kowloon, Hong Kong
MTR: Tsim Sha Tsui Station, Exit A 2

Tel: 2301 - 4500
Note: NOT open 24 hours. 
Opening times 2pm to 1am.  Call to confirm.
Staff speak good English.




In our post, Frustration and Trends dated 22 February 2013, we said this:

....4.   Expect more ex-European Union types falling over themselves to get here. 

5.   Noticed the number of Russian tourists wandering the streets of Very Rich Megacity? Everything gay is illegal in Russia.  Here's a prediction........it's only a matter of time before Russian guys start showing up at the gay saunas in VRM.  You read it here first.  This blog is already being read in Russia. 

6.   FuelMix is still waiting for the majority of his readers to twig that the gay sauna reviews are as anthropological as they are anatomical.

FYI fag.....

• More Europeans showing up at ABC;
• The Russians have arrived in ABC; 
• (By way of correction, we said above that everything gay is illegal in Russia.  That is not true.  There are gay bars, dance clubs and saunas operating. Have a look here.)

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• FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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HKG Gay Saunas: The Hidden Costs 2

In Part 1, we set out the hidden health risks - some hiding in plain sight - to be found in the gay saunas here in Hong Kong.

A reader submitted his experiences in the gay saunas of Bangkok, Cambodia and Vietnam:

Good points, apply to Bangkok saunas as well. Smoking here largely restricted to smoking rooms. There is a reason why most saunas are dimly lit: they could do with a good clean! On the rare occasion I go on an afternoon when there is daylight, I am surprised how much dust, dirt and other stuff (e.g. used condoms) is there.

Walking in flip-flops in Bangkok prevents me from getting athlete's foot (but I have it when in Europe). Gay saunas in Cambodia and Vietnam provide flip-flops, saunas in Thailand don't. I don't know what's worse: sharing flip-flops or walking bare feet.

Now that you mention the couches, I got pimples like mosquito bites on my upper thigh and butt after sauna visit; while there were mosquitoes in the outdoor area, it's very unlikely they bit me in those areas. I had this before but didn't see the connection to sauna visit. Will pay attention next time! 

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Asian Cities Gay Sauna Reviews

Several readers informed us that our series on Hong Kong gay sauna reviews are the best on the Web. 

For 2016, we have been  requested to expand coverage to all Asian cities.

To date via readers feedback, we have published sauna reviews in these Asian cities:

• Seoul, Korea
• Shanghai, China
• Singapore
• Taipei, Taiwan

Just as readers took the initiative to submit their reviews on gay saunas in Hong Kong, we are now open to receive reviews and updates of gay saunas in any Asian city.


Guidelines

1. Full address, contact details, website and opening hours of sauna;
2. Date and time you were there and for how long;
3. Entry price you paid;
4. Attitude of staff;
5. Layout of the sauna;
6. Quality of decor;
7. Comments on Locker area;
8. Comments on Wet Area (showers, steam room, dry sauna, hot tub);
9. Comments on Dark Area;
10. Comments on Private Rooms;
11. Refreshments and Food;
12. Type of clientele - approx age range, body type, ethnicity, attitude or friendly, standing around or easily getting action;
13. Whether you got action;
14. Whether you'd go back; 

We reserve the right NOT to publish reviews we deem suspicious, inaccurate or self-serving;

Readers may submit their reviews via email to: fuelinjectedmale@live.hk
Subject Heading: [Name of Sauna and Name of Asian City]  
 

Bathouse Larkin' (A Reader's Poem)

Submitted today by a GWM reader here in Very Rich Megacity, pursuant to a particularly soulless series of encounters at Hutong Sauna:

Bathouse Larkin'

Stumbling, heaving, rhythmic throng

where seas of injured souls belong

addled wits and empty eyes 

long-dead hopes there's no disguise.

 

Peacocks up and down they strut

With hungry eyes and hearts all shut

Liberation, oh who knew

Would be so soul-destroying too. 

 

Music, organs loins all throbbing

On the prowl. No time for sobbing

For what’s been robbed from our soul.

'The lifestyle' has consumed it all.

 

Men hand mis’ry onto men

It happens time and time again.

Run my friend with half a chance

Escape this self-destructive dance.

FuelMix says: 

 

Perfect.  Catches the attitude, frustration, erotic charge and emptiness so prevalent in a gay sauna. Thanks for submitting it.

HKG Gay Saunas: The Hidden Costs

What The Local Fag Rags Will Never Have The Guts To Say:

And we're not talking about the entry fee.......


1.   Half the saunas have dimly lit locker areas;

2.   Customers drink directly from the Listerine bottle;

3.   Listerine heavily diluted by management;

4.   High risk of Passive Smoking even though by law, smoking in bath houses and saunas is banned;

5.   Some complimentary confectionery manufactured in China.....unknown or dubious quality;

6.   Sweets, biscuits, pastries and ice cream - all high calorie, refined sugar snacks;

7.   High sodium content in bowl of noodles;

8.   Vanity counter has hair gel and lotion containing petroleum by-products and methylparaben - known carcinogenics;

9.   Shampoo and shower gel contains petroleum by-products and methylparaben - known cacinogenics;

10.  Using complimentary combs and brush increases risk of scalp infection and head lice;

11.  Ultra-close viewing range of complimentary computer keyboards and screens;

12.  Massive contrast between dimly lit corridors, brightness of computer screens and ultra-close viewing range, cause acute eyestrain after only a couple of minutes of use;

13.  Complimentary computers unlikely to contain updated anti-virus software. Logging into personal accounts requiring username and password, very dangerous;

14.  Glare from porn screens in Dark Area plus ultra-close viewing range, cause acute eyestrain after only a couple of minutes of watching;

15.  Customers sitting naked on couches or falling asleep on them.  Couches may be of vinyl or fabric.  No indication of how or how often vinyl and fabric is cleaned and disinfected;

15.   No notices requiring customers to bring slippers to prevent Athlete's Foot;

16.  Smoking, Passive Smoking, ingestion of refined sugar, cosmetic use of petroleum by-products PLUS tanning on the sunbed, increases cancer risk.

NOTE:  All of the above are independent of a fag who shows up at the sauna with a compromised immune system, unhealthy or bleeding gums and skin infections like eczema or jock itch.

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ABC Sauna 26

6/F Cheong Hing Building, 

72 Nathan Road, 

Tsim Sha Tsui, 

Kowloon, Hong Kong
MTR: Tsim Sha Tsui Station, Exit A 2

Tel: 2301 - 4500
Note: NOT open 24 hours. 
Opening times 2pm to 1am.  Call to confirm.
Staff speak good English.


FuelMix received several emails today from a GWM reader who allegedly had a confrontation with the Owner of ABC on Saturday evening, 5 December 2015.

The reader says the Owner, to whom he had chatted on past visits, is a middle aged Chinese gentleman with a round face and thinning hair.

FuelMix has heavily edited the various emails from this reader for grammar, clarity and brevity:

Loads of pushy and bitter guys there (mostly on the heavy side).  Not a place to go if you're looking for muscle guys - and God forbid you ask someone where there is a sauna that has hot guys.

I told a friend of mine who was with me, that we should go to Hutong the next day.  A chubby Chinese guy apparently a hair stylist, who had cruised both of us - and whom we had rejected, turned bitter.  He went to the Owner saying that we were badmouthing ABC.  We had done nothing of the sort.

As I was leaving, the Owner asked to speak to me.  He told me not to come back.  I was shocked.  I asked him why he would believe a bitter and jealous person and told him what had happened. I said I would not be badmouthing ABC if I had been coming there in the past.

The Owner apologized but I will not go back.

1. I posted my complaint on Travel Gay Asia today. 
2. They deleted it.
3. I wrote to them and they reposted it.
4. They have again deleted it.  Wonder why.

 
FuelMix says:

1.  In Gay Sauna Etiquette 17 dated 25 October 2012, another reader complained about a toxic fag who badmouthed them to the sauna staff.  We don't know which sauna it was.

2.  What is clear is that some fags are hate-filled to begin with, or they can't handle rejection in a sauna, or both.  They decide to seek "revenge" by running to the management.

3.  We speak from personal experience as well, because a few years ago (curiously also in ABC), a toxic Chinese fag whom FuelMix had rejected, went running to the Reception Staff alleging that FuelMix was a drug addict and/or was HIV Poz.

4.  The staff who were on good terms with FuelMix, told the toxic GAM to fuck off and then told FuelMix what had happened.  Being FuelMix, he confronted the toxic GAM in front of the customers. The GAM ran to the lockers, got dressed and left.

5.  We can understand why the Owner might initially have told this reader not to come back. He only had one source of information - the toxic fag.  When he heard the reader's side of the story, the Owner apologized.

6.  This is not  a case of the Owner restricting free speech in the sauna. He initially acted to protect his business reputation, relying on a source of information that turned out to be malicious.

7.  The fault lies in the clientele AND their lack of emotional intelligence. The reality is that even if entry is restricted by being based on looks and age (like Hutong), it is impossible to control what falls out of a toxic fag's mouth.

8.  As for Travel Gay Asia allegedly deleting the reader's complaint.....we are well aware that many gay information sites only publish "happy talk".  That's why we started our sauna reviews.

• Readers may submit reviews of gay saunas in any Asian city;
• We reserve the right NOT to publish reviews we deem suspicious, inaccurate or self-serving;
• FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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ABC Sauna 25

6/F Cheong Hing Building, 

72 Nathan Road, 

Tsim Sha Tsui, 

Kowloon, Hong Kong
MTR: Tsim Sha Tsui Station, Exit A 2

Tel: 2301 - 4500
Note: NOT open 24 hours. 
Opening times 2pm to 1am.  Call to confirm.
Staff speak good English.


The Filipinos Are Cumming *sigh*

Earlier in this series we'd mentioned how Filipinos had turned ABC into their own little barrio (which means either poverty-ridden slum in Spanish or a division of a municipality in the Philippines).  Then, for a few years they hardly showed up.

Well fags, they're baaackk...!!! Mostly 20 somethings Fuglies - with FAT ones too. Tourists and locals. Presumably they needed a change from showing up at Central Escalator.

We're not sure why virtually every Flip male we run into describes himself as Filipino-Spanish or Filipino-Latin, but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  And don't be fooled when a Flip says he's a total Top.  Just remind him he's from a country who's top 3 exports are Mangos, Bananas and People.  And the Flips have a worldwide reputation for being in the "service industry"......

But.....but.....FuelMix, if ABC is getting the Fugly Flips, who's getting the better looking athletic and muscular ones....??

(Hong Kong Disneyland and Big Top......).

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2.  FuelMix no longer gives personalized sauna advice; 

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Four Kinds of Curry 5

5.   We've Got The Answer

Question:  What Kind of Indians Are Pissing Off Gay Sauna Customers In Hong Kong..?

Answer....  Using the 4 categories that we listed previously, they are:

• Indian Expatriates From India (not the ones from US and UK) Moving To Hong Kong; and
• Indian Tourists From India and Dubai Visiting Hong Kong;

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Four Kinds of Curry 4

As mentioned in Part 1, since there are grumblings on the street about the quality of Indians showing up at the gay saunas in this city, it is necessary to examine the categories of Indians presently living or visiting here in order to find out which category or categories may be causing the problems.

4.   Indian Tourists from India or Dubai Visiting Hong Kong

• Heavy Indian accent, even though may be Western educated;
• Showing up in VRM in droves on 2 week tourist visas, with the possible intention of moving here;

What Do Gay Men Need To Know About Indian Tourists From India or Dubai Visiting Hong Kong...?

• Fall into 2 categories: athletic,masculine pretty good looking AND Fugly;
• The good looking 20 somethings look like a hybrid between hip-hop culture and a Nike advertisement;
• Older men wearing a lot of jewellery.  Not in good shape;
• Younger ones wearing bandanas or LiveStrong rubber shit on their wrists and some kind of chain around their necks; not so much bling as the older ones;
• Lame attempts by the Indians from Dubai to claim they are Emirati;
• Escaping repressive gay climate in India for a few days;
• Showing up around town to sample different gay saunas and escape the family and or GF;
• May or may not have done some basic research on how to behave in saunas. Certain Middle East countries censor internet content;
• Large amounts of bling on the older tourists do not accessorize well with white sauna towel; 
• Clumsy cruising skills in the saunas.  No ability to practice in India or Dubai;
• May show up at the sauna with a buddy, claim to be str8, point and gawk at other customers, incessant voyeurism, feeble grin on their faces;
• Don't know or care about the difference between cruising someone and stalking someone in the sauna to the point of being a nuisance;
• Highly likely to piss other customers off; 

Coming Up In Part 5:  We've Got The Answer

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Four Kinds of Curry 3

As mentioned in Part 1, since there are grumblings on the street about the quality of Indians showing up at the gay saunas in this city, it is necessary to examine the categories of Indians presently living or visiting here in order to find out which category or categories may be causing the problems.

3.   Indian Expatriates From India Moving To Hong Kong

 

• Large numbers flocking to Very Rich Megacity on employment sponsored work permits;
• Can be from any part of the Indian diaspora and from various Indian cities e.g. Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Bangaloru, Kolkata, Chennai;
• Huge numbers working in Tech support and hardware infrastructure for banks, airport or setting up businesses for China trade;
• Currently clustering in Tung Chung, Lantau Island;
• Bringing their wives, kids and in-laws too;
• Heavy Indian accent, even though may be Western educated; 

What Do Gay Men Need To Know About Indian Expatriates From India Moving To Hong Kong...?

• Curiously enough, not that good looking and quite dark skinned;
• Men have lousy manners, loud noveau-riche attitude;
• Men wearing a lot of jewellery, several rings, including earrings on both ears;
• Highly closeted ones occasionally advertising on Craigslist and on gayhk chat rooms;
• Escaping repressive gay climate in India;
• Showing up around town to sample different gay saunas;
• No fuckin' clue how to behave in saunas and don't take kindly to being told;
• Large amounts of bling do not accessorize well with white towel; 
• Typical Indian mentality to show up with a buddy. Inability to go anywhere alone; By contrast, the Indians from UK and USA have the confidence to show up anywhere alone.
• Terrible cruising skills in the saunas, don't take kindly to rejection, sometimes demanding to know "why....?"; 
• Pointing and gawking at other customers at the saunas, incessant voyeurism;
• Frequently claim to be "Tops"....;
• Showing up at gay sauna to escape arranged marriage for a few hours;
• Claim to be str8 and just showing up to see "what the gay sauna is all about";
• Don't know or care about the difference between cruising someone and stalking someone in the sauna to the point of being a nuisance;
• Not well groomed, not in good shape; 
• Highly likely to piss other customers off;

Coming Up In Part 4:  Indian Tourists from India or Dubai Visiting Hong Kong

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Four Kinds Of Curry 2

As mentioned in Part 1, given that there are grumblings on the street about the quality of Indians showing up at the gay saunas in this city, it is necessary to examine the categories of Indians presently living here in order to find out which category or categories may be causing the problems. 

2.   Indians Born or Raised in UK or USA But Living In Hong Kong

• Can be from any part of the massive Indian diaspora in UK and USA - Sindhi, Sikh, Parsee, Bengali, Gujarati, South Indian to name just a few;
• Slightly schizophrenic culturally - may have to conform to traditional values within immediate family but constantly exposed to Western standards and decadence; 
• Far more likely to have to wrestle with sexuality issues earlier;
• Emphasis on tertiary education means many will have witnessed (though not necessarily participated in) college campus gay scene;

What Do Gay Men Need To Know About Indians Born or Raised in UK or USA But Living In Hong Kong...? 

• Huge variation in looks, colour and body type.  Some are hot and yummy. Others Not;
• High standard of English, often with UK or US accent;
• Mix easily with whites;
• Here in Very Rich Megacity as white collar expatriates - notably in tech, human resources, finance and law, but also in other professional service industries;
• As single expatriates, clusters of them can be found living in SoHo and Mid-Levels; 
• Can be found in the gyms in Central, SoHo and Admiralty i.e. California Fitness, Physical, Fitness First, Seasons, Pure;
• Advertise for hookups on Craigslist in VRM;
• Away from their immediate families, single and gay-curious or closet gay, these are the ones most likely to show up - and do - at the gay saunas in VRM;
• Done their online research on gay saunas in VRM.  They know which ones to go to and how to behave;
• Probably already been to saunas in UK and USA;
• Anecdotally said to "prefer" whites sexually - but not written in stone. The longer they live in VRM, the more they'll tweak to GAMs as they explore the sauna scene;
• Not known to piss the local GAMs off in the saunas;
• Quite confident to show up in gay saunas alone;
• Known to show up at the clubs and bars;

Coming Up In Part 3:  UPLOADING MORE

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Four Kinds Of Curry 1

We'd been hearing from our friendly GAMs on the street that there had been grumblings about the quality of Indians showing up at the gay saunas in Very Rich Megacity. It appears that their manners, language skills, large amounts of gold jewellery adorning their bodies and their complete lack of gay sauna etiquette, were pissing people off.


What Kind of Indians Are Causing Problems In Hong Kong Gay Saunas...?

FuelMix decided to investigate to see what kind of Indians these might be. For the record, we are only dealing with Indians, (not Pakistanis, Bangladeshi or Nepali - all of whom are also well represented here in VRM).


Types Of Indians In Hong Kong

There are 4 kinds of Indians presently in Very Rich Megacity:

1. Indians born or raised in VRM;
2. Indians born or raised in UK or USA;
3. Indian expatriates;
4. Indian tourists;

1.   Indians Born or Raised in Hong Kong

There are 3 main categories:

• Sindhi;
• Sikh;
• Parsee;

(1) Sindhi  

• Appear to make up the majority of the Indian population here in Very Rich Megacity. Originally from the province of Sindh, previously part of India but which is now part of Pakistan;
•  Long standing historical connections with the city. Heavily involved in family businesses such as Import / Export, travel agencies, restaurants, retail, and hotels. Heavily involved in the China trade too;
• Many are filthy rich with generations of wealth - but very tight with money on a daily basis;
• Both men and women wear a ton of jewellery;
• Tight-knit community with a huge Sindhi ghetto in luxury developments in Kowloon, particularly Ho Man Tin Hill (known as "Tundoori Hill");
• Fluent in English, Sindhi, Cantonese and increasingly, Mandarin;
• Initially locally educated, but now increasingly foreign educated;
• Younger generations moving away from family businesses and into professions;
• Combination of arranged marriages, partially arranged marriages or free dating and marriage;

What Do Gay Men Need To Know About Sindhis in Hong Kong...?

• Men can be light skinned and very attractive;
• Macho culture, terrible manners. Fancy themselves as Bollywood film idols;
• The men will flaunt their wealth - yet be tight with money; 
• Heavy drinkers;
• Extremely homophobic (although the Western-educated ones might be more tolerant);
• Most unlikely to show up at the gay saunas here in VRM - particularly in Tsim Sha Tsui because this is the historical ghetto for Sindhis. Although most have moved to "Tundoori Hill", there are still considerable numbers in Tsim Sha Tsui and many have still kept their shops and offices in this area. 
• A few brave ones might show up at the gay saunas in other parts of town, where they are less likely to be recognized; 
• More likely to go to gay saunas in other Asian cities like Bangkok;
• Highly closeted because of their "ghetto" style of living.  Everybody knows what each other is doing.  And they gossip like hell;
• Clumsy in gay sauna etiquette; can piss people off;

(2) Sikhs -

• Originally from Punjab. Long standing historical connections with the city, including colonial police forces. Heavily involved in family businesses such as Import / Export, retail, China trade;
• Many are filthy rich with generations of wealth;
• Very low key. They dress simply.  Do not flaunt their wealth like Sindhis;
• Do not particularly like Sindhis;
• Fluent in Cantonese and increasingly, Mandarin;
• No real Sikh ghetto in town. They live everywhere and fit in well;
• Very traditional family values. Marriages are frequently arranged. Pressure to marry in their 20s;

What Do Gay Men Need To Know About Sikhs In Hong Kong...?

• Men are very masculine with very strong features; Almost impossible to find an effeminate-looking Sikh. Even the Sikh teenagers are very masculine and play a lot of sports;
• Men can be very tall - 6foot 4inches or taller;
• Men can be light skinned or tanned to very dark;
• If the men choose to wear a turban, it will be with a full beard;
• They can choose not to wear a turban, keep their hair short and their face clean shaven.
• Sikh men can be spotted by the silver iron bangle on their wrists;
• Turbaned and short haired Sikhs in their 20s occasionally spotted in the gay saunas in VRM. The short haired ones in particular, can be very hot, gym bods and very friendly. Able to converse in English and Cantonese. Fit in well and pick up gay sauna etiquette quickly; 
• Very closeted and that needs to be respected;
• Some short haired, clean shaven Sikhs are very homophobic. Macho culture. Well aware that their looks attract other guys. Can turn nasty or violent;

(3) Parsees -

• From the Mumbai area in India, but originally from Iran;
• Long standing historical connections with the city;
• Tight knit community;
• Fluent in English, Cantonese and increasingly, Mandarin;
• Family businesses but younger generation turning professional;
• High emphasis on education. Kids educated in prestigious schools;
• Tend to have strong family or social or community connections in the US; 

What Do Gay Men Need To Know About Parsees In Hong Kong...?

• Tend to be light skinned; 
• Masculine-looking;
• Men can be quite attractive and sporty;
• Do not exhibit the overly macho culture of the Sindhis or the Sikhs;
• Unlikely to be violently homophobic. Religion advocates a culture of tolerance and non-violence;
• Not known to show up at the gay scene or gay saunas in Very Rich Megacity;

Coming Up In Part 2:  Indians Born or Raised in UK or USA But Living In Hong Kong

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